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Warren Hogan, Chief Economic Advisor to Judo Bank, gives a straight read on Australian inflation, interest rates, the structural labour shortage, and the succession cliff, with specific advice for business owners planning to exit in the next two to three years.
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Australia is facing a "succession cliff" that few business owners are prepared for. With 2.7 million private businesses in the country and 50% of baby boomer owners expected to retire in the next five years, the market is about to be flooded. Warren Hogan and Simon Bedard reveal why the real threat isn't a lack of buyers, it’s a massive funding gap that could see thousands of viable businesses close their doors instead of selling. And while you navigate this transition, the "staffing crisis" isn't going away. Warren calls it exactly what it is: a structural shift that has turned staff management into the "annus horribilis" of running a modern business. If you are planning an exit in the next two to three years, this episode provides the macro-roadmap you need to avoid the cliff and time your move perfectly.
Frequently asked questions
Why is Australian inflation proving harder to control than the RBA expected?
Australian inflation is proving persistent because the RBA entered the current global energy shock with unresolved domestic inflation, causing second-round effects on wages and costs to accelerate faster than in comparable economies like Canada and New Zealand. Warren Hogan argues that this was the direct result of an RBA strategy that was "completely at odds with anything they've done in the past," as the bank chose to limit rate rises in a failed attempt to protect unemployment. When the economy picked up, inflation "just popped straight back" because the underlying domestic problem had never been fully resolved. Consequently, the flow-on from energy prices into wages, costs, and margins across the whole economy is occurring with greater magnitude than in nations that tightened monetary policy more aggressively.
Where are Australian interest rates heading over the next 12 months?
Warren Hogan forecasts that the Australian cash rate needs to reach at least 5%, with at least 100 basis points of rate rises still to come to align with the nation's growth potential. This adjustment is required to bring the "real" interest rate, the cash rate minus inflation, toward Australia's estimated 2% growth potential. While necessary, Hogan argues the RBA’s committee structure may prevent the institution from acting with the conviction required, likely extending the period of economic pain for the household sector and those on variable-rate mortgages.
What is the single biggest operational challenge for Australian business owners right now?
The single biggest operational risk for Australian businesses is a structural, not cyclical, labour shortage driven by the retirement of the baby boomer generation. This five-year trend has made finding and retaining staff the "annus horribilis" of running a business, forcing owners to manage rising wages and new workplace regulations that squeeze margins long before the impact shows up in financial reports.
What is the succession cliff and why does it matter?
The succession cliff refers to the 50% of Australia's 2.7 million private business owners expected to retire in the next five years, creating a massive funding gap for potential buyers. Simon Bedard raises this directly in the conversation. According to ABS data, there are 2.7 million private businesses in Australia. MYOB surveys indicate that 50% of baby boomer owners in that cohort are expected to retire in the next five years. The problem is not a shortage of buyers, it is a shortage of funding. Banks will readily finance the acquisition of a business turning over $50 million with a $10 million profit. A business turning over $2 million, employing four people, with a profit of $200,000 gets far less interest. Simon's observation from deal data is that transactions fail not because buyers cannot be found, but because funding cannot be secured. The US has the Small Business Administration loan program to address exactly this gap. Canada has a government guarantee scheme. Australia has neither. Warren's response is unambiguous: it is not just an industry problem, it is a community one. If small businesses cannot be sold, they close, and with them go the jobs, the tax base, and the accumulated skill sets that cannot easily be replaced.
What should a business owner with a two to three year exit horizon be watching?
If you are a business owner looking at a two to three year exit horizon, Warren Hogan identifies two risks worth monitoring. The first is a credit squeeze, but he is not overly concerned about this in the near term. The more significant risk is asset prices. If inflation forces interest rates high enough to break something in the economy, asset prices could fall 20%. His advice is direct: do not line yourself up to transact when that is happening. Be agile, watch the macro environment, and avoid timing an exit into a deteriorating market. The second part of his advice is about what to keep doing regardless, keep investing in the business, take a long view, and do not overleverage. Warren's framing for the next two to three years is "choppy seas on the way to the promised land." The long-term fundamentals of the Australian economy are strong. The path to get there is not. Business owners who stay conservative on leverage, optimistic on the long term, and alert to timing will be best placed.
How should businesses be approaching AI right now?
Businesses should approach AI as a strategic tool for reshaping entire processes and reallocating staff to higher-value work, rather than a simple mechanism for reducing headcount. Simon Bedard observes that business owners are prioritising human reallocation, while Warren Hogan notes that while the first wave of individual tool adoption, like Claude and Copilot, is underway, the real productivity gains lie in redesigning business processes so fewer people can produce significantly more output . To achieve this, Hogan advises taking your best staff offline to architect these changes, even if it results in a temporary performance dip before the business scales. While smaller businesses have a distinct speed advantage in testing and implementing AI, they must remain mindful that they often have less financial buffer than larger organisations to absorb the transition period.
What does the US economic lead mean for Australian businesses?
The US economic lead indicates that Australian businesses must urgently adopt US lessons in AI application and operational flexibility to overcome a 50-year productivity low and remain competitive as the US economy streaks away from the world. Warren Hogan’s assessment is stark: while the US pulls ahead through economic flexibility and a willingness to displace workers into new roles, Australia remains "on its knees" regarding productivity, a level of stagnation not seen in half a century. For local business owners, the practical implication is to study and apply what is currently working in the US technology revolution, which thrives on natural market flexibility rather than government policy. Hogan warns that Australia’s current political settings, which prioritise job security over the necessary reallocation of talent, risk causing the country to fall further behind until the pain of inaction becomes unavoidable.
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About Warren Hogan
• Chief Economic Advisor to Judo Bank. Managing Director of EQ Economics. • Former Chief Economist at ANZ Bank and Principal Advisor to the Australian Treasury. • Economic Commentator: Renowned for independent, contrarian views in the Australian Financial Review and Sky News, and consistently featured on many more news outlets.
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Buy Grow Sell is hosted by Simon Bedard, founder and managing director of Exit Advisory Group, a boutique mergers and acquisitions advisory firm that helps Australian business owners value, prepare for and navigate a sale. Every conversation draws on real deals and the patterns behind them.





